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02:35 CST :: 10/28/2009 Turkeyslam PH Webmaster     Group: PH Administrators Location: Kenner, LA Joined: Sep. 2003 Total Posts: 15795 Quote (Yeehaw McKickass @ 16:58 CST :: 10/27/2009) Quote (Turkeyslam @ 11:54 CST :: 10/27/2009) 30 locations that were branded as Pump locations, using Pump cabinets, and weren't Pump games at all. Walt got my point pretty much dead on. Itg heavy places basically weren't going to touch anything tangentially related to pump otherwise.  Now pump is at least in their mind space. No it isn't. That style of gameplay and music is in their mind space. That's why those machines appeared (and may have been successful) in those markets in the first place. ITG3 would have been a bigger success in those places than Pro had it existed.

08:20 CST :: 10/28/2009 adonis_minus_20 ***Level 8 PH Member***    Group: PH Contributors Location: Joined: April 2005 Total Posts: 552 During the summer I play down Wildwood on a Pump Pro machine that is sandwiched between two ITG2 machines.  I didn't like Pro at first but it grew on me and it also had some older songs that had been removed from the regular Pump versions, which I liked.  The machine is in perfect condition, the pads are great, the bars are great, and the volume is usually up really loud.  In other words, this is a great location to play (if you don't mind Pro). I never played ITG before playing Pump (I actually started out playing DDR years ago but then switched to Pump and have preferred it since).  I actually like the ITG songs that are in Pro and I also like the stepcharts for the most part.  I would be happy to play on any good Pump machine, but you take what you can get.  Also, there are still a lot of the great regular Pump songs in Pro.  I will say that if they didn't have these, then I wouldn't like Pro that much.  I love the songs and charts from all the Pump versions. I do understand why people here don't like Pro and that it possibly did take some business away from the regular Pump versions, although Pump imo is so unpopular in the U.S. anyway that it doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things.  Perhaps the locations that got the Pro machines would never have considered or purchased NXA at all, but that's just speculation on my part. I have seen a lot of ITG players get into Pump via Pro, not that this is going to make any difference at all to the game's popularity in the U.S., as it's just not going to matter much.  Sadly, Pump is just not popular in the U.S., although you can't walk five feet without tripping over a DDR machine I think if you're into Pump but you dislike/hate Pro and never play it, I wouldn't say you're missing so much.  For the people that are into Pro and dislike/hate the regular Pump versions (no one here I'm sure), I would say they're missing a great deal of course.  For my part, I just wish Pump in general was more popular in the U.S. and that it would be easy to find good machines anywhere.

11:08 CST :: 10/28/2009 cpubasic13 Thief      Group: PH Veterans Location: Citra, FL Joined: Aug. 2006 Total Posts: 1419 Quote (adonis_minus_20 @ 09:20 CST :: 10/28/2009) Sadly, Pump is just not popular in the U.S., although you can't walk five feet without tripping over a DDR machine what -------------- JUL

13:00 CST :: 10/28/2009 Yeehaw McKickass Idiot King      Group: PH Contributors Location: Chicagoland Joined: April 2005 Total Posts: 1168 Quote (Turkeyslam @ 03:35 CST :: 10/28/2009) Quote (Yeehaw McKickass @ 16:58 CST :: 10/27/2009) Quote (Turkeyslam @ 11:54 CST :: 10/27/2009) 30 locations that were branded as Pump locations, using Pump cabinets, and weren't Pump games at all. Walt got my point pretty much dead on. Itg heavy places basically weren't going to touch anything tangentially related to pump otherwise.  Now pump is at least in their mind space. No it isn't. That style of gameplay and music is in their mind space. That's why those machines appeared (and may have been successful) in those markets in the first place. ITG3 would have been a bigger success in those places than Pro had it existed. Ok, let's just stop this here before it devolves into anything dumber.  Pro did what it was intended to do, and it did it with Andamiro's blessling.  Pro 2 will be fractionally as successful as whatever AM version is coming out will be, just like Pro was against NX/NX2.

17:02 CST :: 10/28/2009 Kuhazan Pessimist      Group: PH Veterans Location: Grand Rapids, MI Joined: Jan. 2004 Total Posts: 3026 I just view it as this thing has less content than normal cheaper choice. Why should I buy? -------------- You can become hero of stage! blast your hidden ardor! Beat your feet on the stage! fresh scream which upgrade your dance game level! Look at me, my fantastic dance... if you want to dance like me, play Technomotion. I want to see your captivating motion. I want to share rapture with you. Let's go dance with me, you can feel like dancing queen. STAND UP! This time is for dancing, don't be shy! Show me your talent on the stage! Move your body according to music. Don't you hear that cheer? Make feel free and close your eyes. Throw away your honor! Enjoy your life with Technomotion. Let's go dancing.

20:38 CST :: 10/28/2009 adonis_minus_20 ***Level 8 PH Member***    Group: PH Contributors Location: Joined: April 2005 Total Posts: 552 Quote (cpubasic13 @ 11:08 CST :: 10/28/2009) Quote (adonis_minus_20 @ 09:20 CST :: 10/28/2009) Sadly, Pump is just not popular in the U.S., although you can't walk five feet without tripping over a DDR machine what If Pump is popular in the U.S., then I guess it must be another part of the U.S.  I'm from the Northeast, NJ specifically, and there are maybe two or three Pump machines within an hour and half drive from me, allthough I can go to any arcade within 5 minutes of my place and easily find a DDR machine at every single one

21:07 CST :: 10/28/2009 Turkeyslam PH Webmaster     Group: PH Administrators Location: Kenner, LA Joined: Sep. 2003 Total Posts: 15795 It's just your part of the country. For example, in New Orleans Pump machines are everywhere yet DDR machines are rare. Though to be fair the United States as a whole isn't a "Pump country".

23:56 CST :: 10/28/2009 cpubasic13 Thief      Group: PH Veterans Location: Citra, FL Joined: Aug. 2006 Total Posts: 1419 I'm in Florida, and unless you go to like Orlando or busy areas you aren't going to find a DDR machine with ease. -------------- JUL

00:48 CST :: 10/29/2009 FLAKK ***Level 8 PH Member***     Group: PH Veterans Location: Louisville, Ky Joined: May 2005 Total Posts: 417 Quote (valius @ 13:04 CST :: 10/26/2009) Hmmm, according to this, there's supposedly a play test for Pump It Up Pro 2: http://www.piu-pro.com/ I wonder if this is for real, since I've seen that BGA on Jason Dread's machine. That is a hacked cab, btw. The BGA is the giveaway. --------------

00:50 CST :: 10/29/2009 WayneC02 and you can't avoid that    Group: PH Administrators Location: Laplace, Louisiana Joined: Sep. 2003 Total Posts: 2200 I'm not sure if this was answered because I don't care enough to read anything but the reason it looks the same is because they're obviously just testing the new Pro 2 songs on a Pro cab, loading them in as addon data (the first shot in that group of 3). The final theme and graphics most likely aren't finished and they don't want to give it away yet. I still haven't played a Pro so, while I'm pretty much done with Pump as a whole, I'd give that and this (if it comes to fruition) a try. --------------

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