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03:46 CST :: 2/06/2015

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About a month after release. Several people found vulns via ubuntu for editing settings in prime (forcing widescreen for fx cabinets. And other harmless things) but, sure enough not too long after this I hear about a dongleless prime making an appearance in mexico. Without any proof I just shrug it off as prexceed stepmania crap.

And here we are, prime hdds flooding various auction sites being sold as legit ones, taking money from andamiro.
So, where do you guys see this going? I posted in this section since I dont feel a need for the information to be all over (though I am sure if you can see this you are definately aware already of the bootlegs) but I still am curious.

Prime is very much in its infancy. Hell there are more private owners than arcades with it (3 primes in arcades in the usa) so, will this be prettymuch it for pump games? Its only a matter of time before someone dumps the drive and either undercuts the seller or distributes it freely...either way. It isnt looking too good for andamiro

20:44 CST :: 2/06/2015

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Andamiro would have to get serious about protecting their shit, but thats not really an easy task for them to do really |:

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01:08 CST :: 2/07/2015

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All they need to do is go the way of nintendo and have hardware locks in place...to this day nobody can dump mariokart d2x because of it.

If anything, every mix they seem to make the game less secure, hell Hasp duplication / emulation has been around since before fiesta 2 even came out. Yet they used it anyways.

Security will need to be absolute priority if they have another mix, otherwise its over (in my opinion)

15:08 CST :: 2/07/2015

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This is pretty bad, and I'm really interested in seeing what Andamiro is going to do about this.

I assume they've already known for a while, seeing as how 1.01 has that loud piracy warning on it.

Nirvash - there are way more than 3 Primes in arcades in the US. At least ten. For starters, every Round1 arcade has one.

04:39 CST :: 2/08/2015

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Quote (Turkeyslam @ 15:08 CST :: 2/07/2015)
This is pretty bad, and I'm really interested in seeing what Andamiro is going to do about this.

I assume they've already known for a while, seeing as how 1.01 has that loud piracy warning on it.

Nirvash - there are way more than 3 Primes in arcades in the US. At least ten. For starters, every Round1 arcade has one.

Really? Well its a damn shame I didnt know when I was on vacation. I was using zenius's location check fo prime since havens doesnt search all the usa, which showed like no cabs anywhere for prime when I checked.

And yeah... im certain they knew first, either from network play or tech support confusion.the update only enforces the thoughts. What on earth can the do though? -sorry but we will ban players if they accidently play a pirate cab!- that isnt solving a damn thing. Its just discouraging usb usage

11:38 CST :: 2/08/2015

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I've heard that bootlegs would show a X in the middle of the screen, and that it was unable to go online and rejected patches, true or false?

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16:06 CST :: 2/09/2015

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Quote (RaúlCamOv @ 11:38 CST :: 2/08/2015)
I've heard that bootlegs would show a X in the middle of the screen, and that it was unable to go online and rejected patches, true or false?

False, the x is a bug with linux.
Online play is not affected either, the only way andamiro can tell is by looking at the hdd serial (which can be spoofed) to check if it matches the model of hdds they used. Thats literally all their security

18:58 CST :: 2/09/2015

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Meh I'll put my two cents in just for the sake of conversation and how I feel about this. Now I might seem a little harsh but as far as bootleg copies go, Latin America is by far the biggest culprit when it comes to knock offs and hacking. This has been true for years now. Andamiro needs to start pressing legal matters if they want to get this under control but I don't see that holding up very well for them. As far as a next installment of Pump It Up? It will happen in the next two years, quality will continue to go up in terms of licensed songs they use BUT hacking will only get worse.

Now what I see Andamiro doing is exactly what they did the last time we had a problem with hacking and patching. They will punish the ENTIRE community because if one person does something wrong it's EVERYONE as a wholes fault.

The should ban sales of the game in Latin America for at least one mix to show they are series about people hacking the games and content but that would hinder sales at the end of the day for them as Latin America is their main source of income as of right now.

I think this problem will only get worse until Andamiro just up and quits. Unless something is done (Outside of Andamiro taking action but chances of that happening again are very slim) Pump will only have another mix or two before this series comes to an end.

What needs to start happening is we need to start letting Latin American pump players who allow hacked versions to be used in their arcades aware of what it's doing to the series and how badly it's hurting it. That also goes for anyone else who hacks into games outside of Latin America that partakes in hacking and duplicating hdds.

Another direction Andamiro could take to help this issue is have some type of built in security that messes up the game if hacked or altered outside of official updates. Something that causes the game to either crash or lock up. I think the greatest example I can think of a security feature like this would be whatever shooter that was released a while back that caused all guns in hacked versions of the game to shoot chickens which left players not being able to do ANYTHING. So maybe they could come up with a way for hacked hdds or altered versions of the game to completely wipe all stepcharts causing the game to show all of the levels for the charts but upon play there is nothing, not even invisible charts.


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12:48 CST :: 2/12/2015

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Welp, the decrypted contents from prime just got released, god speed andamiro

01:23 CST :: 2/13/2015

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Quote (Swing_On_Crazy1016 @ 18:58 CST :: 2/09/2015)
What needs to start happening is we need to start letting Latin American pump players who allow hacked versions to be used in their arcades aware of what it's doing to the series and how badly it's hurting it.


I have been trying since 2005 to convince people of this. They don't care, they'll come up with conspiracy theories like "all of you are elitist and don't want to share files for stepmania with us".

Every once in a while a moron will appear releasing stuff believing in those conspiracy theories and thinking he's the robin hood of the pumpers, or complaining about watermarks or shit like that.

On the other side, the barrier to entry with PIU is pretty high in emerging markets like Latin America, most people who upgrade since day 0 literally have to spend their life savings because only the most successful arcade places can afford to upgrade since day 0.

If AM is serious in solving the piracy issue they need to understand that emerging markets don't have the liquidity that first-world countries have. Andamiro should consider to change their business model the same way companies like Adobe or Microsoft did: Changing their pricing schemes from charging straight away to monthly/yearly fees.

Charging a monthly fee of $50 (for ex.) rather than charging $1300 every time they release a new game would be a way to encourage more people to install a legit game.


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